Rep. Jack Kimble's Detective Jesus and Political Lies: The worst guest we've ever had.

David B. Wheeler: 00:00:07

Welcome to Muck you the podcast that rips through the BS of American politics with zero apologies. This week we're exposing the latest political scams and fighting for what matters.

I'm David Wheeler and meet my co host, a real deal lawyer for change and our next congressman for NC 11, Colonel Mo Davis. Grab a shovel and let's dig into the muck on Muc U. Take it away, Colonel.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:00:30

Well, thanks David. Mr. Pleasure to be back with everyone on a kind of a cool and cloudy day here in western North Carolina, but continuing with our tradition.

Got another great guest today and, and one I'm I'm sure you're going to find interesting. We've got Republican Representative Jack Kimball. He's representative of California's 54th congressional district.

And I'm sure all the listeners on here know that the California's 54th congressional district is probably the most diverse district in California.

Extends all the way from the Sierra Nevada mountains down to the coast and it includes the largest, largest yoga institute in America and also one of the largest militia movements. So it really is just a very diverse district to represent. Representative Kimball is also a best selling author.

icago police detective in the: 1970

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:01:42

Thanks. It's actually, and you'll find you might find this out yourself. It's actually not that busy. Everything is executive order now.

So I have another Settlers of Catan game. We have a big tournament going coming up later this afternoon, but otherwise I'm pretty much just sitting back.

The big beautiful bill is in the Senate now, so we don't really have to worry about that anymore. And I'm not renaming anything for another couple of weeks.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:02:11

All right, well listen, I know you're on the, on the far end of the conservative scale, so I'm wondering, does it bother you that, that you and your colleagues are collecting federal salaries when as you said, the being run by executive order rather than Congress actually doing anything.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:02:27

As you mentioned before, we have the, the basically largest yoga institute in my district and as a result, even though I, I really worry that it's a slippery slope, I am familiar with a lot of Zen thought and I believe sometimes the man who does the most is actually the man who does the least.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:02:49

year ago, is back in June of: 2024

And I'm just, Could you explain to our listeners why, why you thought it was unfair?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:03:13

So, as you know, in our jury system, in our legal system, every person should have a right, as long as the president agrees with this, to make their case of why they are innocent. And I thought Trump did so beautifully.

Unfortunately, during the trial, as he is trying to prove his innocence, there's a whole nother set of lawyers trying to prove he's guilty, which to me seems like legal interference.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:03:43

Well, yeah, I agree. I'm an attorney, and I've never really understood how that works either, and how anyone can consider that to be a fair system.

But I, I saw what you, you were quoted in the Chinese media, and they were kind of took offense to some of the things that you, you said that you said, you know, kind of screw China. If they don't want to buy American beef, then we'll sell it to India. Have you been able to resolve the tensions with, with China over your comments?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:04:13

I have not. However, I understand it was a negative commentary, but what I found is if you translate it back into English, comes up a lot more positive.

So I'm hoping to kind of use it as some kind of a press release.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:04:27

Yeah. You're also quoted in the European media when there was a cyber attack on X and, and on Elon.

And you were quoted in that piece along with other members of, of Congress, I think it was. Representative Don Bacon, Senator Mark Kelly and yourself were all quoted in the article. So what was your take on that cyber attack on Elon and on X?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:04:53

Well, I was worried you were going to talk about the El Salvador situation because I got quoted with that one, too. The, the attack on X. I just think that nobody wants these kind of attacks.

I think they're really bad for business, they're bad for, for cyber security. And I think it's up to Elon to give these attackers a portion of X now so that we can have peace.

David B. Wheeler: 00:05:19

Well, Representative Kimball, it's a pleasure to, to meet you. I've been following you on X. I don't really understand you most of the time, but. What's that?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:05:29

I don't either. It's okay.

David B. Wheeler: 00:05:30

All right. Well, you know that India is full of Hindus that don't eat beef, right?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:05:38

Right.

David B. Wheeler: 00:05:38

So why would, why would you suggest that we move our China exports to India. Isn't that kind of a stupid, stupid suggestion?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:05:47

This is typical liberal thinking. Yeah. There's a lot of Hindus in India, and yes, they don't eat beef right now because, you know, their own, you know, religious and cultural reasons.

However, they did not get all those beef commercials that we did in the 80s. India is a world, what they call a growth market. I think we have a lot. You know, if you noticed how popular, like, Yellowstone is, we've got.

David B. Wheeler: 00:06:15

Yeah, yeah, I loved. I love that show.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:06:17

Yeah, we've got, like, a lot of rancher actors who are getting famous now. They can certainly be doing the, hey, beef, it's what's for dinner India kind of thing.

David B. Wheeler: 00:06:25

And Kevin Costner isn't part of that show anymore, though.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:06:29

I know, but it's kind of lefty anyway. But still, we could. We could be really marketing them. India isn't ready for. For Madison Avenue. India isn't ready for Leo Burnett India. I.

I guarantee we can convince those people. Yeah, you know, the religion. I mean, look. Look how many tenants of Christianity we've managed to strip from Christianity.

You don't think we can't strip not eating beef from Hinduism?

David B. Wheeler: 00:07:01

Yeah. Well, you ought to legislate it, actually. You know, you ever thought about that?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:07:05

It's tricky because it's another country.

David B. Wheeler: 00:07:08

Well, that doesn't stop us anywhere else, does it?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:07:11

No, but unfortunately, since it's another country, only the president can actually legislate that.

David B. Wheeler: 00:07:16

Oh, that's true. I hadn't thought about it that way. So listen, let's switch gears a little bit here. Sex and rock and roll, maybe.

So one of our favorite members of Congress is Lauren Boebert. We call her Beetlejuice Bobert because we're all. Now the. The big rumor is that you guys got something going down. What's the. What's the truth there?

Come on now.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:07:43

No, I mean, this is just part of working together and collaborating. Lauren is very hands on. And because of that, we've worked very closely.

And, you know, I don't see any reason, you know, this has to be all theatrical. It's just, you know, working kind of.

David B. Wheeler: 00:08:01

Well, how do you feel about. Is. Do you think she's a liberal lover or a conservative lover?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:08:05

I think she's very much. She used to definitely be. Be further right. But now that she's a great grandmother, I think she's much more down the middle.

David B. Wheeler: 00:08:17

She's a great grandmother? I thought she was just a grandmother.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:08:20

Well, but she's great at It.

David B. Wheeler: 00:08:24

According to whom?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:08:26

If you notice, none of her family's been arrested in like the last three or four months.

David B. Wheeler: 00:08:32

That's true. That's true. God probably planted that seed in their heads, right?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:08:37

Definitely. She's definitely mellowing. And I like to think the rest of the family has also meld. Or at least got pants that are harder to remove.

David B. Wheeler: 00:08:47

Yeah, right. Have you. Have you ever met her mother? Her mother claims to be quite the lover too.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:08:52

You know, I really have been advised not to talk about any meetings with her mother. So you've had meetings again? Legal counsel has said I really should not be talking about that.

David B. Wheeler: 00:09:04

What's that? Are you her. Are you Lauren's father?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:09:07

I can't. I can't say why at legal. Legally, this could. There could be repercussions.

David B. Wheeler: 00:09:13

Well, we don't do here. If you're just gonna backpedal like a typical Republican, then why are we even having this conversation?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:09:22

I might possibly be her father.

David B. Wheeler: 00:09:27

See, I knew I'd get the truth out of you.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:09:29

Jack, the list is huge.

David B. Wheeler: 00:09:32

Yeah. All right, what about. What about this other knucklehead that Mo ran against? And I think Mo actually won that election because I think it was rigged.

And he. He should be in Congress right now, but he ran against this face humping guy, Madison Cawthorn.

Have you ever been involved in a face humping with Cawthorn?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:09:55

No, I mostly know Madison through his videos.

David B. Wheeler: 00:09:57

Right.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:09:58

Instead of, you know. But I will say that he. He definitely is an outside the box thinker.

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:07

That's true. That's true.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:10

Have you.

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:10

Have you ever wished you could face up him or he face up you?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:15

No, but that's. I mean, that's just kind of the luck of where the keys go, you know, everybody.

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:22

What does that mean?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:23

Oh, well, when we. Whenever we have a caucus, generally there's a dish up at the front of of the room. We put our keys in there and.

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:33

You know, I saw that movie. That was pretty good.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:35

Yeah, it just depends whose keys you got. Really?

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:37

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:37

So what it.

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:38

So seriously, what. How about a threesome with Cawthorne and Bobert?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:44

Who would be the third?

David B. Wheeler: 00:10:46

You.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:10:47

Oh, okay. No, just because of. Of, you know, the possibility that Lauren might be my offspring. I wouldn't want to do. That's true.

David B. Wheeler: 00:11:00

I'd forgotten about that. I apologize, Congressman. That was completely out of order. We should take down those words. Probably.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:11:09

Wow, that just occurred to me that I would be a great grandfather.

David B. Wheeler: 00:11:16

Probably. Okay, Mo, I'm going to take a little break here and Send it back to you.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:11:21

All right. Well, Congressman Kimball, I'm curious about your. Your book, Detective Jesus, Thou Shalt Not Kill. What was your inspiration for that?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:11:30

It's. It's actually Detective Jesus Number one. Thou. Thou Shalt Not Kill. There. There may be a sequel coming up.

So I guess what happened is I was eating breakfast, and it was one of those bizarre things where you're toasting bread and you take the bread out of the toaster and you look at it and you can't deny it. It. It's Jesus's image on the toast. And at that same time, I was watching a rerun on UTV of Mannix.

They have both Manix and Canon, at least they used to early in the morning, which was. Which is great. So I'm watching Mannix, and I'm seeing this image of Jesus on my toast. And as I take a bite, I'm thinking, Jesus and Mannix.

You could really combine those two and tell a riveting story. I like to think it's the third greatest story ever told, actually.

And in this particular, you know, book, I tried to do a lot of the tropes of the great 70s and 80s detectives. So, for instance, his, you know, commanding officers. Lieutenant, who's by the book. Well, who's more by the book in the Bible than Pontius Pilate?

So his. His lieutenant is actually a descendant of Pontius Pilate, which I think really kind of helps to center everything biblically.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:12:53

And you said they're the sequel of any, you know, give the. The audience any. Any hints on when you think that might be.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:13:01

book about FDR running in the: 1936

David B. Wheeler: 00:13:16

Jack. He was in a wheelchair.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:13:18

Okay.

David B. Wheeler: 00:13:19

It's not appropriate.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:13:20

FDR had what they. Everybody thinks FDR had polio. He. He had Guillain Barre Syndrome. And that gives you weakened reflexes. Well, a lot of people don't know.

Herbert Hoover was actually very into physical fitness and physical therapy.

He invented a sport called Hoover Ball, which was basically volleyball with a medicine ball, which I don't know how there aren't a lot of broken wrists. They still play it at the Hoover Presidential Library. They have a tournament every year.

Well, Herbert Hoover develops a way to give a human superhuman reflexes. Unfortunately, no normal person could take it. But because GU Syndrome, I think Named after.

I'm not sure who that's named after, but what it did was with his weakened reflexes, it just Made him one of the fastest men alive.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:14:14

Wow. Hey, I'm. I'm curious too.

I, I've been reading where there's a bidding war between Martin Scorsese and Tyler Perry for movie rights to Detective Jesus. There's any update on, on how that's going?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:14:25

Actually, I had hoped for a television show originally.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:14:31

More money in movies, though, isn't there?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:14:33

Well, I think, I think Jesus, you know, as a detective, just works better in an episodic format.

David Simon, who did the Wire, liked a lot of it, but his problem was he just didn't understand why Jesus couldn't just revive the victim from the dead and ask him who killed him.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:14:53

And that is a conundrum.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:14:57

I really didn't have an answer, so I'm kind of working on figuring out why, and then I'm going to probably repitch it.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:15:02

Well, so you caught some grief in USA Today last year when you had commented on the vice presidential debate between J.D. vance.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:15:14

I thought it was perfectly valid criticism. I mean, everybody was ready to, like, declare that, you know, oh, Wal. Did, you know, was, you know, did great.

And, and, and I, I just thought it was perfectly valid criticism. I thought. J.D.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:15:31

Hey.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:15:32

Hey.

David B. Wheeler: 00:15:32

Representative Kimble.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:15:33

Yes. Yeah.

David B. Wheeler: 00:15:34

Could you please not interrupt? I know you were Republican. You guys think you can do that? Kind of, but I think Mo had a question.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:15:41

Well, I'm not, I didn't realize there's.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:15:44

A question and all of that. I'm sorry.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:15:45

Yeah, well, you're, you're, you're. Your critique of the debate came out 12 hours before the debate.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:15:51

Well, Twitter lets you pre load questions. You can post them to come out at a later time.

David B. Wheeler: 00:15:59

That's odd.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:16:00

And I've been doing that all season with like, the White Sox, who are a baseball team I quite like, you know, and, and no one criticized me for it. I, you know, I'd say hard law, hard loss. And, you know, the game might not have started yet, and nobody had a problem with that.

But all of a sudden, when it's my job, people don't like you giving, you know, your feedback on the debate before it's happened.

David B. Wheeler: 00:16:24

Well, yeah, probably because it's a long, boring answer like you just gave a second ago.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:16:28

But.

David B. Wheeler: 00:16:30

So back to. Back to Congress, who is your favorite, favorite member of the House these days?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:16:40

There's so many. It's really hard. I liked, you know, I liked Matt Gates a lot. I hate to see him go. I would, I would probably say Marjorie.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Ritos.

David B. Wheeler: 00:16:57

What do you call it?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:16:58

What's Your nickname for her, the Distinguished lady.

David B. Wheeler: 00:17:03

Yeah, yeah. What's distinguishing about her mostly?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:17:07

The, the way she carries herself. She. He always is class, which is a nice quality. We, we were on a really, really. We were on a.

We were on a flight back together going west from Washington, and I was stopping off in Denver. So we were on the same flight and we were supposed to be on. We were supposed to be on first class. And unfortunately there was a problem.

We both wound up in coach and Marjorie was really, really irate and, you know, the stewardess tried to talk to her and had problems. And finally the co pilot goes back and the co pilot explained to her that the coach was.

Was going to be going to Denver, but first class would actually be going to New York. And she was able to handle it and said, okay, well, at least coach is going to get me where I want to go.

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:05

Yeah, that's very distinguished. So what about Trump? Have you. I assume you and. And Donald are pretty good friends.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:14

I wouldn't say good friends, but we're, we're definitely buds.

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:18

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:18

On the bud level.

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:20

And, and where is his wife these days? Which one of our first lady?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:24

Which one?

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:26

Well, I thought there was just one Melania.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:29

The first Melania.

Yeah, she's around, very, very loving, but remember, she's got a background as a model, so, like, it's not unusual that she wants to use her best pictures, even if they were from the first term.

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:44

Got it, Got it. But she's not really playing a role as first lady, a traditional role.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:49

She's not playing a role.

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:51

Ah, got it. Okay.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:18:52

You know, do you know how much, how many actors would kill to get paid as much per appearance as she does?

David B. Wheeler: 00:18:58

That's true. That's true. So do you think they're actually married or. I saw some headlines a couple weeks ago that they're actually separated.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:19:07

You can be married and separated.

David B. Wheeler: 00:19:08

Well, like legally separated. They're not sharing a bedroom anymore.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:19:13

Well, the problem with sharing a bedroom is, you know, now it's not so bad now that he's president, but remember, he had a lot of files to store and.

David B. Wheeler: 00:19:23

True. And it makes for a lumpy bed, huh?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:19:26

Yeah, exactly.

David B. Wheeler: 00:19:27

Yeah. All right, so if you. Who are you going to support in the next election for president?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:19:33

I think the, the real question is who's going to support me of the next candidates?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:19:40

So you're, you're announcing?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:19:42

No, I'm looking for bids. I would like a cabinet position. I would like. If I can't get a cabinet position, I want an ambassadorship and not to one of those crappy countries.

But I have run for president before, and now if Donald wants to step down, I certainly will consider doing it again.

David B. Wheeler: 00:20:06

Right. All right, well, here's an idea, Jack. Why don't you change your name to Trump Donald and run on that ticket?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:20:14

That's not bad. That's not bad. You know, the only.

The only thing I worry about is if I change my name and run on the ballot and JD Runs on the ballot, we don't know what name he'll be using this time.

David B. Wheeler: 00:20:29

It's true.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:20:29

And this could really confuse people.

David B. Wheeler: 00:20:31

Well, yeah, he's. What. What is the name he uses these days?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:20:35

JD Or Ashley Furniture?

David B. Wheeler: 00:20:38

Oh, yeah. Or is that Jack Daniels? Jack Daniels? Vance.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:20:43

You'Re thinking of Pete.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:20:45

What do you think? Who do you think is going to change first? Trump changing wives or JD Changing names?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:20:51

JD Changes names more often than he changes sofas, so I'm probably gonna go there.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:20:59

You know, hey, I'm curious. You know, Donald Trump is kind of the. The working man's president, and, you know, he really loves the common people. So he's opening.

He and his family are opening a club called the Executive Branch there in Washington for ordinary people can join for a half a million dollars. Are you planning on joining their. Their everyman club?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:21:23

I don't know. I heard from a friend of mine, Stormy, that the Executive branch is actually more of a mushroom.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:21:31

Ah, what the hell?

David B. Wheeler: 00:21:32

What the hell does that mean?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:21:33

It's a euphemism. I would. I would say maybe after the interview, you and Mo could talk about it and he could probably explain it to you.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:21:43

I might to draw a picture, but I think I can get it across.

David B. Wheeler: 00:21:46

That's a hard pass on that. I think I just figured it out that hard. Well, Jack, so what's. What is your main issue in Congress these days? And.

And then secondly, do you think the big beautiful bill is actually going to pass the Senate?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:22:09

Well, I would say the biggest. I would at first. I do think the. The big beautiful bill will. Will pass the Senate. I. I definitely. Do you think.

David B. Wheeler: 00:22:18

Do you think Trump will sign it?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:22:20

Oh, for sure, if. Yeah, he just. You just got to point that guy in the right direction. I, I have heard that.

That Susan Collins is concerned, but I think she'll come around. And in terms of what I'm working on right now, the biggest issue I think the American people are facing is a lot of.

A lot of issues with naming stuff. I really. I really am offended every time I look at the US Map And I see New Mexico. I would like to change that to New America.

David B. Wheeler: 00:22:56

Okay.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:22:57

I, I think that I can, I can get the support.

David B. Wheeler: 00:23:00

What about California? Should we rename that to something Kimball.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:23:03

Fornia Has a nice ring to it.

David B. Wheeler: 00:23:05

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:23:06

But, yeah, for now we can keep it. But yeah, Kimball Fornia I would like to eventually have.

David B. Wheeler: 00:23:10

Okay, so let's, let's talk big picture here. What? Are you sure that Trump's gonna sign that bill?

You know, he's, he tends to negotiate with himself and argue with himself quite a bit and, you know, you sure that big, beautiful bill wasn't just one misdirection on his part? Big misdirection. And he's actually gonna maybe do something for the poor people in this country or pokes that need a little bit of help?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:23:34

No, I think, I think he will sign it.

he does run for reelection in: 2028

David B. Wheeler: 00:23:47

That's true.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:23:48

Well, that's, that's great. That's like fifth dimensional chess when everybody else is playing.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:23:53

He's playing like 13th dimensional. Were you hungry there? 13 dimensions and hungry hungry hippos. It's a Parker brothers game.

David B. Wheeler: 00:24:02

Okay. All right, so, so you think he'll sign it and then run against it in 28?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:24:10

Yeah, that, I think, is the plan.

David B. Wheeler: 00:24:11

Because it'll be too. It was the liberals. He was forced into signing it by the liberals. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Okay, over to you, Mo. I think.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:24:19

Well, yeah, I know, I know you gave him high marks for his, his brilliant. The. He. He repealed Biden's executive order on prescription drug cost, and then he signed an executive order that was exactly like Biden's.

And I mean, you got to admit that that's, that's strategic.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:24:37

Oh, it totally is. And I think that's just part of the art of the deal.

You know, what happens is what, what, what you want to let your opponents know is if this is what we're willing to do to executive orders we agree with, just think what we'll do if we don't agree with it.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:24:55

What's your take on the. In the, in the big beautiful builders. A provision that essentially strips the judiciary of any ability to enforce.

You know, if, if the executive branch. The president. Pete Hed, Seth, you know, take your pick. If they break the law in the court holds them in contempt.

The bill strips the courts of any power to enforce their orders, which, which seemed to kind of contradict this notion of separation of powers. But how do you feel about it?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:25:27

I feel that the main purpose when our founding fathers created judicialism, you know, 200 years ago or so, I think that the reason was they didn't want judges to get in the way of the president. And what better way to get them out than to have. The branch I'm in. I can't think of the name right now. The branch I'm in.

David B. Wheeler: 00:25:55

The legislative Jack.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:25:56

Thank you. Legislative branch.

David B. Wheeler: 00:25:59

Have you been drinking this morning?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:01

No. I haven't even seen Pete yet. You guys. You guys, how. How up are you on 90s music?

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:10

Because, well, I went to college during the late 80s and early.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:14

Have you ever heard he drinks a whiskey drink? He drinks a vodka drink.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:20

Yes. Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:22

Okay. That's Pete's Tuesday lunch order.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:24

Okay.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:26

So I was just. Yeah, I'll. I'll be catching up with Pete later. We usually see.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:32

I thought he stopped drinking.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:34

Technically, he did.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:36

Why are you laughing?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:37

Well, he did stop drinking that day, but another day. We. We generally like to.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:44

It's all about semantics with Pete.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:46

We. He's not asymmetric. No. Well, we like to go out with Judge Pirro.

David B. Wheeler: 00:26:54

Yeah. She's a big cruiser.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:26:56

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:26:56

Oh, yeah. Her first move is as Attorney General for. Or not Attorney General, this.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:27:02

U.S. attorney.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:27:03

U.S. attorney. Thank you. Was to.

David B. Wheeler: 00:27:05

I think he's been drinking.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:27:06

Yeah. It was to keep the. The bars open until 8:30am so.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:27:13

Well, and you can thank our senator from here in North Carolina, Tom Tillis, for us having Judge Box of wine as the U.S. attorney. Because, you know, he killed. He. He killed the. The first nominee off. And so in place of.

Of that, you know, incompetent person, we get Judge Box of wine to be U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. So you got Pete Hedge, Seth on. On one end of the Ellipse, and you got Judge Box of One on the other.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:27:42

Yeah. But here's the thing. Hegseth is going to save the military, well, so much money just by recycling bottles. And I think people underestimate that.

David B. Wheeler: 00:27:55

You don't think they recycle right now?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:27:57

No, there's just more bottles to recycle.

David B. Wheeler: 00:27:59

Oh, I see. I see. So the volume of beer bottles and alcohol bottles, I assume, Right, Is what you're talking about.

So listen, I do have a serious question, though. If. If you know what, what would be your choice? Would it be Kristi Noem or Judge Pirro?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:28:17

Well, that's a. That's a tough one. I was involved with. With Christine Ohm. Briefly. Right.

David B. Wheeler: 00:28:26

Are you serious? We're breaking more news. I saw that she and. She and that knucklehead from New Hampshire, what's his name?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:28:34

Corey Lewandowski.

David B. Wheeler: 00:28:35

Yeah. Lewandowski was with her over the weekend. Did you know that?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:28:39

Right. I was between Lewandowskis.

David B. Wheeler: 00:28:43

Dating Lewandowski's wife.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:28:45

No, no.

David B. Wheeler: 00:28:46

That would be awkward.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:28:47

Got married. But I was after the first aff. Well, you're not supposed to talk about it that way.

After her first business arrangement with Corey and before her second with Corey, so.

David B. Wheeler: 00:28:59

Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:01

Yeah. I think that.

I think it's tough because, I mean, Judge Piro drinks so much that you can't even feel your face, which is probably good if you're going to be around Christie.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:12

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:13

So it's kind of, you know, it's a. It's kind of like a team act, I guess.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:18

Yeah. And did she dress up. Would she dress up when you guys were together in one of her famous outfits?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:24

Oh, yeah.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:26

She must have closet upon closet of. Of cosplay.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:30

Well, that's one of the things. Do you know that her department is only paid 40% from our tax dollars?

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:39

I didn't know that. Congress.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:40

50% comes from a sponsorship from Spirit Halloween.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:44

Oh, really?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:45

Yeah.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:47

That's a lot. That's a big sponsorship, dude.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:49

They have a lot of. They have a lot of.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:51

Is that how. Where would we find that budget, I wonder?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:29:55

Probably Mar a Lago bathroom.

David B. Wheeler: 00:29:57

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, I guess over to you, maybe for one more mo. Or are you done with this guy?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:30:04

Yeah. No, no. Let me. Well, I guess we could. I guess our.

Our listeners have probably figured out by this point that Representative Kimball could potentially be a fictional character. And so I wanted to ask, in real life, are you surprised at how often people pick up your stuff and. And run with it?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:30:24

I. I'm only a little bit surprised. It's always happened.

want to call it that, back in: 2010

But nowadays, people are so angry. I'll post really, really obvious stuff and. And people will just fly off the handle really quick.

I have some stuff which I know is really, like, if you don't look really carefully, this is. This. You know, you might fall for it. But I post some stuff which are. Which are like, so over the top.

I, I just did one the other day where, if you've ever seen that picture from Trump's first term of the guy with the big sign that says, like, get a brain Moran.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:31:26

Yeah, that one you're talking about.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:31:27

I said we were, we were boycotting Harvard and I used the picture of him and I would say 20 to 30% took it seriously. And I'm like, that is such an old and famous picture, you know.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:31:40

Yeah, well, you know, some of your stuff really is subtle, but some, some of it's so over the top that.

Yeah, some, some are so over the top that, you know, you just have to question, you know, whether the person that takes it seriously, whether they've been.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:31:55

Drinking, you know, and my, my favorite is like, there was one I posted a, a couple weeks ago where the first two lines are about how the tariffs are going to be good and help us, and the third line is just so over the top. And I just noticed how many people, like, angrily replied before they got to the third line. It's like 280 characters. That's a lot of reading.

I don't have a bookmark. I'm just going to do the first line and give you my gut instinct, you know.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:32:23

ething in common. Back in, in: 2014

Green's funeral in August of: 2014

And, you know, the right wing was just, you know, going nuts, how disrespectful it was.

And so I, I put out a tweet saying, yes, you know, it's, it's shame that President Obama broke the tradition set by President Nixon and President Bush.

And I named a couple of generals that had been killed during Vietnam and the Iraq War and said that, you know, they had honorably attended those funerals and President Obama, you know, broke tradition and people just ran with it. But there's, there's a journalist guy named Byron York, is a writer for the Washington examiner, and he ran with it.

And then a couple days later, I got a text message from Byron York going, where is there any authority that, you know, for. About Nixon and Bush going to those funerals? And I said, hell, no, there's not.

You know, I just, I put it out there just to see, you know, show how gullible people are that, you know, if you're looking, you know, they could have taken 30 seconds and googled what I had written and seen that it was bullshit, but it supported the narrative that they wanted that Obama was a jerk. And so they just ran with it. So it ended up with a second article by Byron York. I think the title was.

You can't trust anything that Colonel Davis says.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:34:02

er masters from Notre Dame in: 1985

ak at Notre Dame back in like: 2008

And I'm like, okay, you might be able to make a case that General Sherman might have delayed, might have shortened the war or something. But like, there were so many people in that, like, Notre Dame list. Like, okay, okay, he's got death squads. He wore a tan suit.

These really aren't comparable.

And so I did a, an op ed, you know, because I, I had a satirical right wing blog already called that's right, Nate and Jack started as a character on that blog.

And it was to criticize the, or make fun of the right wingers who were saying, like, you know, you know, this about Obama when it happened that long ago that they had an El Salvadorian dictator with death squads.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:35:25

So, yeah, hey, yeah, I know you. You recently, you were a career educator and recently retired.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:35:34

Right?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:35:35

I'm just, I'm just curious, what are your thoughts on, you know, the, the Republicans are slashing everything.

And certainly, you know, here where David and I live in the mountains of North Carolina, the Medicaid cuts are going to be, you know, bad for tens of thousands of people. But I'm curious as a, as a professional educator, what, what's your take on these cuts to education and getting rid of the Department of Education?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:35:57

So first off, in terms of educational philosophy, the department really is not very important. It doesn't really make it down to the states and it certainly doesn't make it down to the schools.

And I will say, as crazy as Betsy DeVos was, Arne Duncan was actually a worse Secretary of Education because nobody pushed privatization as much as he did. However, I taught at a school with a ton of Title 1 students. We were a Title 1 school.

We got a big chunk of money we needed for extra resources for students who needed extra resource and that's just.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:36:33

And for folks, Title 1 is funding for, for low income, impoverished students.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:36:41

And that's, I mean I was in an urban school, but there's rural schools that are, are hit really hard with this too. Ieps, you know, things for students with special needs. There are just so many, so many things, you know, that that department does.

And I, I guarantee that's going to get, you know, lost and lost. And I, you know, I don't. I think there's going to be some major funding changes with public education that are not good.

But I've always felt that with education, what they've always wanted to do is find a, find a way to make the public education as poor as possible and then allow tax money to go to private schools and charter schools too, which charter schools already get money. But that's a little complicated private schools to, you know, with vou.

With vouchers and stuff to, you know, so that they, they can put their hand just kind like they do with, with, with insurance so they can kind of put their, you know, put their hand in that tax money and grab some.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:37:42

Well, they're doing the same thing too. I'm, I'm a, you know, veteran. I go to the VA hospital for health care. And they've been trying to find a way to, to profitize the va.

And it seems like that's always the angle is how can we, how can our rich donors make a buck off of this rather than performing the mission that the agency is intended for? But I'm curious too. There's been this, I know like our congressman here, Chuck Edwards, and I'm running against, put out a thing.

There's Teacher Appreciation Day recently and he put out a thing praising teachers. And then like two or three days later there's a piece on how a public education are nothing but liberal indoctrination centers.

So to me it's appalling this, this demonization of public education and public school teachers. I'm just curious what, you know, you were there in the trenches. What, what's like morale and what's it like being a public teacher nowadays?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:38:37

It's, it's not good. I mean, I did it about 25 years and people like to point to like Covid.

Everything changed with COVID But honestly, it had started maybe two or three years before COVID where it feels like again, how do, how do donors get money? You know, you know, every.

We're being told everything we can teach where the, the, the, you know, everything we went to school for has become kind of Useless. It's all babysitting now, and it's all about, you know, bureaucracy, and it just.

Yeah, the teaching part, I've always loved the students, and I always, you know, my best.

My favorite part now is, you know, because I was teaching 25 years ago, so many of my old students have found me and let me know, hey, you really made a difference. And that. That's great because, you know, you plant. You plant. You know, you're. You know, you. You know, plant something, and.

And you get to see that it actually grew into something pretty cool. But, yeah, teacher morale is. Is really low. And that's. It's one of the things.

They've been demonizing it so long that not only are people trying to get out, but nobody's going into it, and they're constantly trying to find ways they can use computers to shove, like, 50 people in the classroom so that they don't need as many teachers.

David B. Wheeler: 00:39:57

Well, I have a lot of respect for educators and everything you're doing for those kids. What. Can we slip back in character for a second, if you don't mind, and ask Jack Kimball to come back?

Jack, what would be your advice to Mo Davis on how to beat a fellow Republican and put you in the minority? To my friend Mo, difficult question.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:40:21

So, Mo, am I mistake? Am I not mistaken? You're a colonel?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:40:26

I was. I'm retired.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:40:28

Okay. You got a white beard, white mustache, white hair. You're a colonel. You're running for office in. In the South.

To me, one of my heroes was a man named Colonel Sanders. I would try and orient my campaign. I'm not saying I'm Colonel Sanders, but I'm not saying I'm not Colonel Sanders.

David B. Wheeler: 00:40:48

Ah. Isn't he dead?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:40:50

That's why you're not saying you are Colonel Sanders.

David B. Wheeler: 00:40:53

Oh, God.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:40:54

I mean, let's be honest. RFK. I mean, JFK Jr. Is dead.

David B. Wheeler: 00:40:59

Yeah.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:40:59

And they were using him for how many years before they said I'd use RFK Jr. I guess.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:04

Oh, well, I'm not following you, so.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:41:06

Oh, I just said Trump was running with it with a dead person as support, so there's no.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:10

Oh, right.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:41:11

Yeah.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:11

Okay.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:41:12

Yeah.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:12

Wow. I think we need to put a. Put this to an end, Mo.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:41:16

All right.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:17

So, Representative. Sorry, Mo, did you have anything else?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:41:21

I didn't. I'm just trying to take notes on that political advice. So. Yeah, I'm not sure. All that money. All that money I'm spending on consultants, I'm.

I'm getting it for. For a year.

David B. Wheeler: 00:41:30

Well, I. And And I, it might be the Castanza rule on that one where you do the opposite of what they tell you to do. But.

So, Representative Kimball, where can folks learn a little bit more about you?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:41:42

Well, I have my Jack Kimball.com page which definitely needs to be updated. I am Rep. Jack Kimble on Twitter and I am same name on Blue Sky.

I think I spend more time on Twitter because there are more Republican crazies over there. And so my people. Yeah. And yeah, I definitely will have, you know, I've got, as I said, I've actually got two books out.

I also have profiles and Courageousness which came out a long time ago. And I'll continue writing. I'm actually, I'm actually just starting now to try to get into stand up. So.

David B. Wheeler: 00:42:22

Yeah, well, I'm not sure that we care about that. So, Jack Kimball.com K I M B L E. Correct. Are you running for reelection?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:42:34

Yeah, always.

David B. Wheeler: 00:42:35

Otherwise I have to take bribes or does it have to be FEC approved money?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:42:39

I've never been convicted of anything. Indictments are not convictions.

David B. Wheeler: 00:42:47

That's true. That's true. Yeah. And. And he was, he was almost 16, right?

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:42:53

Almost.

David B. Wheeler: 00:42:53

Yeah.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:42:54

Okay.

David B. Wheeler: 00:42:55

All right. Anything to add, Mo?

Col. Moe Davis: 00:42:57

No, I'm in another fascinating 40.

David B. Wheeler: 00:43:00

This has been a terrific waste.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:43:02

Yeah. Bye.

David B. Wheeler: 00:43:03

of my morning. Nothing personal. Oh, is he still on here? I'm sorry.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:43:09

Yeah.

Col. Moe Davis: 00:43:10

And if, all right.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:43:11

You know, if.

David B. Wheeler: 00:43:13

I think you're probably the worst guest we've ever had, to be honest with you.

Rep. Jack Kimbell: 00:43:19

I had any serious work to do.

David B. Wheeler: 00:43:21

No, you're kind of an so I've never called anybody an on this show, at least while we were live. And I think you're one of them, but. All right. Well, that's a wrap on this week's Muck you where we dug deep into the political dirt.

It came out swinging, mostly huge thanks to our guest, Jack Kimball, the quote congressman, end quote, from California for bringing laughs, sharp takes on and the absurdity of it all. Jack, you're a legend. Thanks for joining us. You'll never be back. Yeah, well, that's true.

Please follow us on Blue sky at American Muckrakers and learn more and donate@AmericanMutrakers.com on behalf of my co host and the next Congressman from North Carolina 11, a real guy, Colonel Mo Davis. Stay sharp, stay loud and keep shoveling. And if a Trumper bothers you, remember to remind them. Muck you.

Jimmy Muckraker: 00:44:20

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